Embrace, extend and extinguish. That's was the strategy behind Google's adoption of the open protocol #XMPP, which eventually died from it. And it will be the strategy when Facebook attempts to extinguish the #fediverse via #threads https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish For at longer story and analysis, read here: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse)
How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse) écrit par Ploum, Lionel Dricot, ingénieur, écrivain de science-fiction, développeur de logiciels libres.ploum.net
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MattJ
in reply to Malte • • •Please don't fuel the rumours that XMPP is dead. It's very much alive! 🙂
As you said, XMPP is an open protocol. It does not depend on entities like Google to keep it alive.
Just like the Fediverse is alive without Meta.
Tom :damnified:
in reply to MattJ • • •correct. I've been using XMPP for many, many years with my friends any family. Server and client software is still actively developed and it has gained new features in the recent years.
EEE is a often-mentioned theory that does not necessarily apply to the fediverse. Maybe, but maybe not. XMPP has had some more problems back when its popularity peaked, such as problematic mobile device support and missing features. Also see this interview with @Gargron : https://flipboard.video/w/cTBu4HusskGTuPBahqm6WY
jabberati
in reply to Tom :damnified: • • •Malte
in reply to jabberati • • •MattJ
in reply to Malte • • •I too was an XMPP developer at the time. I still am.
I respect @ploum's article. I don't agree with 100% of it, but that's not a problem - everyone has different opinions! But if you read the article again, it specifically does *not* say that XMPP is dead.
I'm fine with expressing opinions, just asking that we respect the work of everyone in the XMPP community on software and services which are used by countless people daily for their communication needs.
@jabberati @thomas @ploum
Malte
in reply to MattJ • • •MattJ
in reply to Malte • • •Google leaving XMPP was a blow to the dream most of us shared of federated IM becoming mainstream. Google maybe didn't kill that dream, but seriously wounded it.
Maybe people find it hard to separate the concepts of XMPP (open protocol, open ecosystem) from that dream (which to make reality requires cooperation from everyone running communication services, and is not a technological problem).
@jabberati @thomas
Malte
in reply to MattJ • • •MattJ
in reply to Malte • • •The federated messaging space includes not only Matrix, but also Delta Chat's novel solution for example. There is plenty of interest and activity around open messaging.
As for Matrix compared to XMPP, they are *very* different technical approaches. Matrix is more like a distributed eventually-consistent JSON graph database, while XMPP is based on hop-by-hop direct delivery. Both models have pros and cons. Personally I prefer XMPP's approach for normal IM.
@thomas